Wednesday 22 May 2013

The One Book Meme




Rather late in the game, I thought I’d try this one myself. If you’d like to participate, just post your own responses to these questions and tag five people. Welcome to the One Book Meme!
1. One book that changed your life: 
Graeme Goldsworthy, Gospel and Kingdom
2. One book that you’ve read more than once: 

Dr. Seuss, Green Eggs and Ham
3. One book you’d want on a desert island: 

The Bible. I know it's the answer I'm "supposed" to give, but I'm being sincere. If I could have a second one, it'd definitely be Calvin's Institutes.

4. One book that made you laugh: 

Bill Meyers, My Life as a smashed burrito with extra hot sauce.
5. One book that made you cry: 
Patricia Verdugo, Los Zarpazos del Puma
6. One book that you wish had been written:
Towards a recovery of Reformed Catholicity
7. One book that you wish had never been written: 
Brian McClaren, A Generous Orthodoxy
8. One book you’re currently reading:
Mitch Stokes, A Shot of Faith to the Head (fantastic!).
9. One book you’ve been meaning to read: 
Mike Wilkerson, Redemption: Freed by Jesus from the Idols we worship and the wounds we carry.
Now I tag the two Robbie's. It's your turn!

A few thoughts (and lots of quotes) on hell



I’m sure this is a subject we will return to a few times on this blog, but I thought these few thoughts would be a good place to start a discussion on a very difficult subject.

I want to start by first of all making it clear that I do hold to the traditional view. I did have an era where annihilationism had me pretty much convinced, but further study (particularly Carson’s chapter on the subject in The Gagging of God) drew me away from it again.

Generally when discussing this subject with others I find that most Christians don’t really think about it that much or they simply choose to do one of two things:
Either soften it by just loosely talking about God’s wrath or being away from his presence (which isn’t too bad I suppose),
Or they just flat out deny it exists (which is).

However, every now and again I come across another group of people. Those who seem to take to the doctrine very easily for some reason. They very simply see the righteous justice of it, or they take it as a great motivation for evangelism.

I must admit, however, that I have nearly always been somewhat troubled by it to a certain extent.
I have found it extremely difficult to feel a real peace about it despite years of pondering and study.
(again note that this lack of peace has not stopped me believing in it).

When I first became a Christian I suppose I managed to keep the idea at a certain distance, but when I was about 18 I read How Can a God of Love Send People to Hell? by John Benton.
It’s a great book, but I have to say it did lead me into a long period of struggle and depression as I faced such a difficult truth for the first time.

And every now and again since then these periods come back.

This may just be down to my temperament or nature or whatever, but then I came across this little nugget from my favourite apologist James R White. Discussing ‘True Conversion’ he refers to Jonathan Edwards (someone who seemed to talk an awful lot about hell):

‘Edwards, in essence, had suggested that the greatest evidence of true regeneration is not the common religious affections that many possess, even in false religions: the greatest evidence of true regeneration in the heart is whether we love those very aspects of God's nature and character that are the most reprehensible to the natural man.’

Not really a very comforting sentence.

But then another view point comes to mind. John Stott (who appeared to hold very cautiously to some sort of annihilationism) said this:

‘Emotionally, I find the concept intolerable and do not understand how people can live with it without either cauterizing their feelings or cracking under the strain. But our emotions are a fluctuating, unreliable guide to truth and must not be exalted to the place of supreme authority in determining it. As a committed Evangelical, my question must be—and is—not what my heart tells me, but what does God’s word say? And in order to answer this question, we need to survey the Biblical material afresh and to open our minds (not just our hearts) to the possibility that Scripture points in the direction of annihilationism, and that ‘eternal conscious torment’ is a tradition which has to yield to the supreme authority of Scripture.’ (Essentials, p.314)

If I am honest with myself  I have to say that I am closer emotionally to what Stott seems to feel about hell, than I am to what Edwards appears to be saying (although I don’t hold to annihilationism).

C. S. Lewis is quite balanced too:
‘There is no doctrine which I would more willingly remove from Christianity than this, if it lay in my power. But it has the full support of Scripture and, specially, of Our Lord’s own words; it has always been held by Christendom; and it has the support of reason.’ (The Problem of Pain p.118)

Turning back to Jonathan Edwards for a moment again. He is someone I love and admire. I have gained so much from him for many years.
But when he gets onto the subject of hell he is seriously tough:

‘The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much in the same way as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect, over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked; his wrath towards you burns like fire…. You hang by a slender thread, with flames of divine wrath flashing about it and ready every moment to singe it, and burn it asunder…. Consider this, you that yet remain in an unregenerate state. That God will execute the fierceness of his anger, implies, that he will inflict wrath without any pity…you shall be tormented in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb…. There will be no end to this exquisite horrible misery…. So that your punishment will indeed be infinite.’ (Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God)

‘When the saints in glory, therefore, shall see the doleful state of the damned, how will this heighten their sense of the blessedness of their own state, so exceedingly different from it! When they shall see how miserable others of their fellow creatures are, who were naturally in the same circumstances with themselves; when they shall see the smoke of their torment, and the raging of the flames of their burning, and hear their dolorous shrieks and cries, and consider that they in the meantime are in the most blissful state, and shall surely be in it to all eternity; how they will rejoice!’

‘The sight of hell torments will exalt the happiness of the saint for ever. . . .’ (The Eternity of Hell Torments [Sermon, April 1739])

‘Can the believing husband in Heaven be happy with his unbelieving wife in Hell? Can the believing father in Heaven be happy with his unbelieving children in Hell? Can the loving wife in Heaven be happy with her unbelieving husband in Hell? I tell you, yea! Such will be their sense of justice that it will increase rather than diminish their bliss.’ (Discourses on Various Important Subjects, 1738.)

‘They [the saints] shall not be grieved, but rather rejoice at the glorious manifestations… of God's justice, holiness, and majesty in their [the damned's] dreadful perdition, and shall triumph with Christ; Rev. 18:20; and 19 at the beginning. They [the damned] shall be made Christ's footstool, and so they shall be the footstool of the saints. Ps. 68:23. “That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same." (Remarks on Important Theological Controversies, chapter 2, "Concerning the Endless Punishment of Those Who Die Impenitent" (reprinted in The Works of President Edwards, vol. 8 p. 339)

And just in case we make the mistake that only Edwards speaks like this:

Thomas Aquinas
‘In order that the happiness of the saints may be more delightful to them and that they may render more copious thanks to God for it, they are allowed to see perfectly the sufferings of the damned … So that they may be urged the more to praise God … The saints in heaven know distinctly all that happens … to the damned.’ (Summa Theologica, Third Part, Supplement, Question XCIV, “Of the Relations of the Saints Towards the Damned,” First Article)

Isaac Watts
‘What bliss will fill the ransomed souls, when they in glory dwell, to see the sinner as he rolls, in quenchless flames of hell.’

Having read through those it is no wonder that C. S. Lewis noticed that the traditional doctrine of hell ‘is one of the chief grounds on which Christianity is attacked as barbarous and the goodness of God impugned.’ (The Problem of Pain, “Hell”)

Todays ‘New Atheists’ attempt to do just that:

John Loftus
‘Just in case there was any doubt about watching your own children being tortured in fire forever might not fill you with pleasure and joy, Jonathan Edwards assures you: It will.’

Edward T. Babinski
‘I exchanged some debate letters with James White in the 1980s when "Alpha and Omega" was just starting out, and I hadn't been outside the fold for very long. We discussed a great many matters, starting with his hero, Jonathan Edwards. It was my debate with White that led me to study Edwards' original writings, especially on original sin and hell. Some of the things I discovered were that Edwards believed in infant damnation--he compared young children to vipers. Edwards also taught that the sight of seeing others tormented for eternity would just make the righteous praise God more. All hail being lucky enough to enjoy God's eternal snuff film!’

And the ‘Old Atheists’ try just the same:


Robert Ingersoll
‘I do not believe this doctrine: neither do you. If you did, you could not sleep one moment. Any man who believes it, and has within his breast a decent, throbbing heart, will go insane. A man who believes that doctrine and does not go insane has the heart of a snake and the conscience of a hyena.’

Charles Darwin
‘As disbelief gradually crept over Darwin, he could "hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true; for if so the plain language of the text seems to show that the men who do not believe, and this would include my Father, Brother and almost all my best friends, will be everlastingly punished. And this is a damnable doctrine.’
(Darwin, Charles (1958), in Barlow, Nora, The Autobiography of Charles Darwin 1809–1882)

Bertrand Russell
‘There is one very serious defect to my mind in Christ’s moral character, and that is that He believed in hell. I do not myself feel that any person who is really profoundly humane can believe in everlasting punishment.’
(Why I Am Not a Christian p.17)

And some ‘Theologians’:

Hans Kung
‘What would we think of a human being who satisfied his thirst for revenge so implacably and insatiably?’ (Eternal Life p.136)

Nels Ferre
‘If this were true’ (i.e., the traditional view) it would make Hitler ‘a third degree saint, and the concentration camps…a picnic ground.’ (Christian Understanding of God p. 540)

Uta Ranke-Heinemann
‘As the Church’s threat against all sinners and all its enemies, hell serves the holy purpose of cradle to grave intimidation.’ (Putting Away Childish Things, “Hell”)

This post has been much longer than I originally intended, but in order to finish properly I want to give one more quote from Edwards. It is clear that lots of his sermons focussed on judgement and hell, and as a result the only thing most people seem to know about him is that he once preached a sermon called ‘Sinners in the hands of an angry God’.
He clearly felt it was his duty to warn people, and he obviously handled that task well. But note this too:

‘I know of but one case, wherein the truth ought to be withheld from sinners in distress of conscience, and that is the case of melancholy; and it is not to be withheld from them, as if the truth tends to do them hurt; but because, if we speak the truth to them, sometimes they will be deceived, and led into error by it, through that strange disposition there is in them to take things wrong'. (Works Vol 1 p.392)

It is great to see that he noticed and cared about people who were prone to ‘melancholy’.

‘No man was further removed from the violence of a ranting travelling evangelist than Jonathan Edwards. That is the defence which one should make when one hears people referring to him as that terrible man who preached the sermon ‘Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God’. (The Puritans p.354)

And so my very quick final thoughts on hell:

It is true
It is Biblical
It is just

But none of these things make it instantly easy to think about.


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